Immigration summons, sharing experiences of negotiation

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Hello,

Last December, I'll share my experience of struggling with the Immigration Office investigator over an address-related issue.

It's best not to end up in a situation like mine, but I'm writing a few words for those who might face such a situation. 😊


The Beginning of the Case: Immigration Office's Text "Summons"

In early November, a text message flew in from the Immigration Office. "Come in for investigation."
After coordinating the date, I went to the 5th floor of the South Jakarta Immigration Office. Here, I had to put all my belongings in a cabinet and go in empty-handed, and the tension rose a bit. 


The Beginning of the Problem: Failure to Report Company Address Change

Here's the problem. The company's address change and visa extension happened at the same time, so I extended the kitas first, but the company's address change report - the address change on NIB took 2 months to process, and I hadn't yet processed the address change with the Immigration Office.
Meanwhile, when the Immigration Office investigation team went to check the old company address (the address on file) as a random inspection, they learned about the office move and started raising questions about the fact that the address change hadn't been reported. 

They pulled out the rulebook called the "Magic Book," threatening "We can go as far as deportation!" and drew up a statement, then seized and returned my passport. The thick rulebook didn't specify whether the address meant a residence address or also included an office address. Ah, I realized it was like putting an earring in a nose hole or a nose ring in an ear hole. To be honest, I was quite scared on the inside, but I decided to wait for now.


Round 1: Not Shaken by Threats

When I told people around me about having my passport seized, I got various advice like I'd have a headache if I didn't solve it quickly, and why did I give the passport first, but there was no place that gave me customized consulting that was perfect for me. I consulted with a high-ranking official who was a parent at my child's school, but honestly, they told me that going through them would just double the costs. They said the answer was just to negotiate well!

Two weeks later, the Immigration Office contacted me again."What are you going to do? Proceed with deportation?"
Our company director asked, "Foreign resident management is under the Immigration Office's purview, but isn't company address management under the Investment Agency? Why is deportation even being mentioned?"
And he added one more thing."I'm curious too if the deportation process is really possible, so go ahead and try~" The key was to stand up coolly without being flustered.


Round 2: Starting Negotiations

Even though my passport was seized, I didn't mind and never contacted them first.

A week later, they contacted me again. "So what are you going to do? Whether we proceed with deportation or not, come visit next week and resolve it."
In frustration, I consulted with a local consulting firm, and they said, "Typically in cases like this, if you give about 30 million rupiah per person under the table, it gets resolved. Since there are two registered directors, it will probably cost about 60 million rupiah." Expecting to spend 50 million rupiah, I went to negotiate directly. I didn't bring separate cash with me.

The investigators tried to scare me by pushing the deportation process documents in my face, but I kept my composure.
"I only have 20 million rupiah in my account right now. If you need more, wait until next month."
I made the deal so firmly.


Round 3: Control is in My Hands

Throughout the investigation process, I consistently maintained the attitude that it wasn't me who was frustrated. I wanted to ask "How's it going?" more than 10 times, but I held back and waited.
In the end, after the investigators consulted with their superiors, they said "20 million rupiah is enough" and returned my passport and all related documents.


Conclusion: Negotiation is Power.

What I learned from this incident is that negotiation and patience are key in places like the Immigration Office.
Don't be swayed by intimidation, calmly take control and negotiate. You can resolve it without spending more money than absolutely necessary.

By the way, this negotiation was conducted in a state where I could barely communicate in Indonesian, but it actually helped. My co-director who speaks Indonesian well got emotional during the conversation. On the last day, when I alone resolved it with hand gestures, the negotiation actually went more smoothly.

Just like residential address changes, you must report office address changes (mutasi alamat) to the Immigration Office. If you put it off because the time until the next extension is unclear, you might end up paying a lot of money like I did to resolve what could have been solved with less money, so please take care of it in advance.

  • (185.213.***.***)

    [KR] 귀한 경험담이네요. 그래도 잘 해결 되셔서 다행입니다.


    [EN] That's a valuable experience to share. Still, I'm glad you were able to resolve it well.


    [ID] Itu pengalaman yang sangat berharga. Tapi syukurlah semuanya terselesaikan dengan baik.

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    [KR] 인도네시아는 정말... 부패척결(?)해야 한다는 사람이 제일 부패해 있다는 말이 제일 적절한 나라 중 하나 아닐까 싶어요. 요즘도 신문기사에 부정부패 거론하던데... 그런 말 하는 사람치고 저택에 안사는 사람 없는거 같더만요...


    [EN] Indonesia really... I think it's one of the best examples of a country where the people who say corruption needs to be eliminated are the ones most steeped in corruption themselves. Corruption still comes up in newspaper articles these days... but it seems like everyone who talks like that owns a fancy mansion...


    [ID] Indonesia benar-benar... mungkin menjadi salah satu negara yang paling sesuai dengan peribahasan bahwa orang yang mengatakan korupsi harus diberantas justru adalah yang paling korup. Belakangan ini di berita surat kabar juga sering membahas tentang korupsi dan penyimpangan... tapi orang-orang yang mengatakan hal seperti itu semuanya punya rumah mewah...

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    [KR] 살아있는 경험담 감사해요! 이사 후 주소지 이전 신고는 때를 놓치지 말고 잘 해야겠어요.


    [EN] Thank you for the firsthand experience! I definitely need to make sure to report my address change after moving and not miss the deadline.


    [ID] Terima kasih atas pengalaman yang dibagikan! Setelah pindah, laporan perubahan alamat harus dilakukan dengan baik dan jangan sampai terlewat waktunya.

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    [KR] 재미있고 실용적인 정보네요. 감사합니다.


    [EN] That's interesting and practical information. Thank you.


    [ID] Itu informasi yang menyenangkan dan praktis. Terima kasih.

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  • (139.0.***.***)

    [KR] 와 귀한 경험담,,,감사합니다. 휘둘리지 않는게 중요하네요~


    [EN] Wow, thank you for sharing such a precious experience. It's important not to be swayed~


    [ID] Pengalaman berharga... terima kasih. Penting untuk tidak terbawa arus~

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  • (182.3.***.***)

    [KR] 와우👍


    [EN] Wow👍


    [ID] Wow👍

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    [KR] 인니도 비리 신고 센터 같은 게 있더라구요. 인니어 잘하는 분이 있다면 아예 패기롭게 신고를 때려 보세요. 전 그래서 돈 한푼 안내고 나왔어요. 주소 실수로 잘못 기재한 에이전시만 당연히 독박으로 책임지게 됐구요.


    [EN] I found out there's a reporting center for Indonesia fraud or something like that. If you know someone who's good at Indonesian, just boldly go ahead and report it. That's how I got out without spending a dime. Of course, only the agency that mistakenly recorded the wrong address ended up taking sole responsibility.


    [ID] Indonesia juga ternyata punya pusat pelaporan kecurangan seperti itu. Kalau ada yang pandai bahasa Indonesia, coba berani-berani ajukan laporan. Itu kenapa saya bisa keluar tanpa bayar sepeser pun. Cuma agensi yang salah catat alamat itu aja yang tentu saja tanggung jawab sendiri.

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